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18:06
WakoDoodletbh romhacks are anything from a good challenge to just stupid
Bem^
DrexTructionand if you make a game exceptionally hard and don't give the player tools to be in equal conditions that's not a good difficulty, that's lazy and unfair
Bemsome of them just make it stupid hard which isnt fun
Paperboy012305Maybe decently hard, but not kaizo levels.
Paperboy012305I mean, they're only trying their best to make it hard.
18:05
Paperboy012305They are fully EV trained with Max IVs and got tons of utility moves.
DrexTructiondepends, some difficulty romhacks aren't good either
Paperboy012305Why do you think fangames exist that are expeditionally hard?
18:04
WakoDoodleI was hoping for a minigame like animal crossing; not just... nothing :l
Paperboy012305I heard somewhere on YouTube saying that challenge mode was actually making the game easier.
DrexTructionand in gen 5 you can refight daycare trainers anyway, and audino farming is a thing, exp is never a problem
BemIf they also make enemy trainer's pokemon have perfect IV's EV's Nature and abilities, it would be good
WakoDoodlethen again im still biased they removed fishing entirely from pokemon :l
DrexTructionalso challenge mode also adds a bunch of items to the enemies
Bemwell you'd need more xp to keep up with higher levels. doesnt make it easier
DrexTructionhow does that make it easier
WakoDoodletbh optional difficulty is always the best. Like turning off exp share or choosing to not learn metal claw
18:03
Paperboy012305Higher levels mean higher EXP.
WakoDoodlethat way everyone wins
Paperboy012305Need I remind you that just made the game easier?
DrexTructionthey were locked to post game, for some reason
WakoDoodleso that way harder move puts them at lvl 100 and easier modes put them arounf 70-80
DrexTructionwe had those in BW2
WakoDoodletbh I think we should have just game difficulty modes in pokemon games
DroncarNerds
DrexTructionI'd consider those pretty strong
18:02
DrexTructionblue flare is a better fire blast, bolt strike is the best electric type move, period, and psystrike is a 100 base power move with no drawbacks and that hits physical defense
godzilla9999transfer a Mewtwo from pokemon to home its gonna be extremely low levelled
WakoDoodlehmmm depends if the lvl 100 move is the best
18:01
Paperboy012305And the fact that 2 Ultra Beasts have to lower their best stat to get stronger?
godzilla9999at level 100 there's no point because its not essential at that point
DrexTructionalso wdym "Mewtwo early on"
ProfessorPthat question is rethorical right?
DrexTructiondo you know the lengths competitive players go to have a 0IV special attacker just to recieve 5 less damage from confusion or some stuff
ProfessorPas a pvper i must ask
18:00
DrexTructionand wdym "why would anybody grind for a slightly more powerful move"
WakoDoodlein lets go
WakoDoodlebtw I forget, did pikachu get a new move for brock?
DrexTructionthat's the point
DrexTructionpsystrike is a more powerful psycharge
WakoDoodlethen again you could just cartch a butterfree
17:59
Paperboy012305That's true Drex, but Mankey just does it better.
WakoDoodleyeah and I'm thankful for that. It was pretty unfair to have 1 pokemon weak to the first 2 gyms in a row
godzilla9999rex psychic is almost as strong as psystrike and yet its available for Mewtwo early on you can just use the tm so there's really no point grinding for psystrike
DrexTructionreminder that in fire red and leaf green they made charmander learn metal claw SPECIFICALLY for charmander vs brock
WakoDoodlelike say a rival that refuses to lose to you, do you fight them over and over until you have to win; doesn't seem like a rival but more a friend
17:58
WakoDoodleI'm not asking them to make it charmander vs brock harder but don't hold their hand to the point they have no freedom of choice
DrexTructionso there's no real reason to just make the legendaries learn these moves earlier
WakoDoodle^ with drex
Paperboy012305I mean with the games always being easy, and those that got older are more experienced, there's a reason Nuzlockes exists to make the game harder for them on purpose.
Silkeregnso are Z moves and all that other junk
17:57
DrexTructionand it's super cool to have moves unlocked at level 100
DrexTructionblue flare, bolt strike and psystrike are incredibly powerful moves
17:56
Silkeregnthats great
DroncarOH I DO, beggar glitch in gen 1 goes bruuuuh
godzilla9999yea silk
DrexTructionbecause that's the point? if you want something strong, you gotta earn it
WakoDoodletrue, it shouldn't be too challenging for kids, but if you make it too easy people will get bored
Silkeregngodzilla did you figure out how to use the site?
17:55
DrexTructionI don't remember having a level 16 fully evolved pokemon stronger than everything in the game after badge 1 in newer games either
godzilla9999eh why would someone waste their time grinding just to get a move when you get an easier to obtain powerful stab move
DrexTructionso what
WakoDoodleI don't remember my rival giving me 3 revives in gen 1 XD
DroncarThey will keep 100, Kids have not more chance reaching level 90 than 100
DrexTructionyou just were a kid before
DrexTructionit's always been easy
DrexTructionpokemon isn't easier for kids
17:54
WakoDoodleI'm hoping they won't cross it though.
Droncarnah
WakoDoodleI get they want to make it easier for kids to get into it, but theres a point where you eventually just remove any challenge the game had.
17:53
WakoDoodleI bet you in a future game the max level will drop to 80 or 90 because its too hard for kids to do
MxDemeanorkkkkkkkk
DrexTructionthat's what I'm saying
17:52
WakoDoodletbh I miss when getting a lvl 100 was more just just a level, as you said getting moves at max level was special
Javjy6Unown F is the best Unown
DrexTructionyeah, but that has no correlation with mewtwo, reshiram and zekrom getting their signature moves before level 100
WakoDoodleand forgets anything else
ProfessorPayo
17:51
WakoDoodlepower creep means the company makes too many powerful things without any balance
DrexTructionsup Mx
MxDemeanordrex
MxDemeanorhi drez
MxDemeanori think i'm gonna die
DrexTructionI don't think you know what power creep means
godzilla9999two words rex:power creep
MxDemeanorof pokemon incense
MxDemeanor3 hours
MxDemeanorits been
17:50
DrexTructionwhat does that have to do with making legendary pokemon learn their signature moves before level 100
Silkeregnthey make games that are sold to children, children like signature moves, children are less likely to see signature moves that are obtained at 100
godzilla9999two words power creep
17:49
Silkeregnmakes sense
DrexTructionwhy would they do that
DrexTructionblue flare is also a level 88 move for reshiram
17:48
DrexTructionhow boring
DrexTructionhuh, gen 8 and 9 lowered the level to 72